My oldest boy, Hudson, has developed a habit of requesting his dessert before he finishes his meal. This request always meets with a firm denial from me. And so my sweet little boy decides he will not eat at all. I am careful to inform him that this decision is okay, but that he will not be eating his dessert either until he clears his plate. Often, he will then attempt to persuade me to reconsider my position with an oh-so-polite, “Please, daddy!” But his manipulation only results in a much sterner reiteration of my earlier declaration. I do add a few qualifiers this time around. I tell him that I want him to enjoy his dessert. Desserts are gifts from God meant for our enjoyment, but they only come after meals and not before them. Sometimes my son listens to reason; sometimes he goes to bed with an empty stomach.
Regardless, this post is only kind of about desserts. It really is about something much weightier than a popsicle. This is my preemptive strike at the ominous threat of pornography that shackles and pacifies the majority of our young men. My son’s desire to have a popsicle before finishing his meal shares many similarities with the man lusting for fornication-on-demand, and it’s important to see what these are.
First, they both share a good gift from God that’s been perverted. There’s nothing wrong with dessert if it’s enjoyed properly. Similarly, there is nothing wrong with sex. Sex is an amazing gift from God. God has designed men to long to behold and enjoy the beauty of a woman. But sex outside of a marriage covenant is a perversion of God’s intention. We’re not to have dessert before our meal; in the same way, there is to be no sex, no masturbation, even, outside of a marriage covenant. There is an order to life that extends from the dinner table to the marriage bed.
Second, lust and dessert before a meal share the same trigger or source—an undisciplined appetite. My son lacks the self-discipline to eat rightly. He must learn to control his desires and not let them enslave him. It’s really the same with the consumer of pornography. He lacks the self-discipline to wait until he wins a bride or, if he’s married, until his bride is able to have sex (sometimes a wife and mother needs a night off from being touched). His appetite controls him. He’s a slave to his strong urges. He’s like a toddler demanding his dessert right now.
And lastly, both of these disorders dilute and ultimately undermine the pleasure that comes from these gifts of grace. Dessert loses its sweetness if it’s taken out of the context of a meal. Likewise, pornography reduces “sex” to merely an impersonal orgasm instead of a rapturous celebration of a covenant.
The battle against pornography begins long before high school. It begins with not giving in to demands of pre-dinner popsicles, bedtime protests, and ignored curfews. It starts with the loving discipline of your child while he’s still in diapers. There’s a reason Proverbs 13:24 says, “He who withholds his rod hates his son, but he who loves him disciplines him diligently.” Discipline will help spare your son from being enslaved to all sorts of evil—including gluttony, fornication, and mountains of credit card debt. The permissive parent does not love his children. He allows his progeny to drink the slow poison of immediate gratification simply because he’s too busy or just wants to be a cool parent. Do not be this parent. Spare your children. Take to heart the exhortation of Hebrews 12:11, “All discipline for the moment seems not to be joyful, but sorrowful; yet to those who have been trained by it, afterwards it yields the peaceful fruit of righteousness.”

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Thank you, dear brother, for
Thank you, dear brother, for sharing this. Too often we forget that we need to train our children right from the start and that even the "little things" can have an impact far beyond what we can see right at the moment. It's hard to think of my young sons as being subject to their sexual appetites, but that is still something that we need to be training them with an eye toward.
Thank you, again, for reminding me why I must train my boys and discipline them, and myself, in all areas.
Warmly,
Kevin
Seriously, do you really
Seriously, do you really think you can equate training your toddler to respect your dining wishes with respect for his body and God? I think that is stretching the point a bit.
I take exception especially to your way of 'teaching' at the dinner table. If it hasn't worked so far, maybe you should try something else? If the child continues on his quest, you really AREN'T getting though to him.
I am a parenting educator and have years of experience working with mentally disabled adults and children along with raising my own children. They way to earn respect from children is to maybe take a different tact with them some times. I would suggest you check out a resource I have found very helpful and one that I use with my families....< Name Deleted by Moderator*>. it is based on biblical teachings even though it does not make reference to the bible as it is used in schools now.
I find your methods leads to very, very angry teenagers and young men. Children need to be given choices as much as possible...not all the time, but whenever possible. This leads to kids who learn the consequences of their bad decisions when the price is small, they learn to think about their decisions, and they learn to trust their ability to see their parents as LOVING parents and not task-masters who control their every movement.
You have a worthy goal here, I just think the way you suggest of teaching kids to make decisions really doesn't teach them to think on their own. It relies on the parents to always be the 'outside force' who controls their behaviors. Kids need to learn to think and we need to allow them to make mistakes sometimes and learn from those mistakes. An angry child does not learn any lesson except to hate their parents.
Be careful that the lesson you are trying to teach is really the lesson the child is learning. I have sadly seen too many 'spare the rod spoil the child' parents destroy their relations forever with their children.
Blessings on your ministry and I hope you will look deeply at the site and maybe have a chat w/ Jim or Foster. They are Christians and they are very approachable in their workshops.
Most sincerely,
Martha
*Moderator's Note: We have removed the name of Martha's ministry/business that she is promoting. We are fine with disagreements but this isn't the place to promote your business--especially when it contradicts the Word of God.
>"Children need to be given
>"Children need to be given choices as much as possible...not all the time, but whenever possible. This leads to kids who learn the consequences of their bad decisions when the price is small, they learn to think about their decisions, and they learn to trust their ability to see their parents as LOVING parents and not task-masters who control their every movement."
I think that the author made it very clear that his child has been given a choice. His choice is to eat or not based on his desire to have dessert first. Which is fine with his father, as his father stated and further explained the purpose of dessert. I find this method to exemplify quite well the concept of using a small consequence (one meal) to teach a child about a larger one, that of an addiction to pornography and sexual satisfaction outside of marriage alone. As a cleansing addict, I know exactly what happens when you don't learn to wait for the proper time to take part in something as important as sex inside of marriage: your soul simply begins to die.
in grace,
Al
Martha, Do you recognize that
Martha,
Do you recognize that Scripture teaches that children are born with a sinful and rebellious nature?
Michael
I feel I should answer
I feel I should answer Martha's comment, but everything I type in just ends up being a version of what Michael has already said. I thank God that Michael is training dear Hudson rather than teaching him how dependable his own heart is to make decisions from the many choices in front of him. Because, as much as I am inordinately fond of Hudson, Martha, let me tell you, Hudson's heart is wickedly deceptive (and would go for the pre-dinner popsicle every time); God's Word, on the other hand, is eternally true. Godly parenting trains a child, whose heart is bent on self-destruction and sin, to submit a stubborn will, first to Mama and Papa, and then to God. Perhaps you are thinking this process is done without joy, affection, play, and lots of tickling? Perhaps you think the idea here is to control Hudson because of some mania for power? Ha! It's to train Hudson in self-control, for the glory of God and the good of His kingdom; and, even more significantly, it is to glorify God, who placed each and every one of us under authority, first to Him and His Word, then to His bride, the church, and, for many of us, to the father-rule of the home.
Dear Martha, This afternoon
Dear Martha,
This afternoon at lunch I sat across the table at a Mexican restaurant from both Michael and Hudson. As Barbara alluded to, it seems that you have difficulty with the exercise of authority that Michael has over his son, and might think him something he's not. I want to assure you he spent lots of time tickling and playing with Hudson, feeding him his food, and having him sit on his lap. But when Hudson wanted to stand on the wobbly restaurant chair, Michael made him sit down for his own good. It might be difficult for you to read his words, but I hope this defense of his character, since you have not met him, nor have any other experience to base your reply on, will help you hear his true and faithful teaching. However, if you find any of my posts to be harsh or overbearing, I will humbly hear your point, but these assumptions should not be made about Michael.
With love,
Lane
Well said--it seems that
Well said--it seems that nearly the entire gamut of travails we inflict upon ourselves can at least be mitigated through the careful application of a bit of self-discipline and delayed gratification.
.....now about the 20 extra pounds I'm carrying......sigh..... :^)
Do any of our readers find
Do any of our readers find Martha's arguments compelling? I know I do, at first. But that's not because they conform to Godly wisdom but because Martha and I have apparently been drinking from the same septic field of American culture and psychology all of our lives. Martha thinks exactly as I and all the other readers out there think until the light of God's Word shines into our darkened minds as it does through Michael's post. Grateful and strengthened by this light, I would like to add just a couple comments in response to Martha's statement.
First of all, Lane is exactly right that the central disagreement here is over authority. The driving principles behind Martha's statement are pragmatism/efficiency ("If it hasn't worked so far, maybe you should try something else? If the child continues on his quest, you really AREN'T getting though to him.") and choice. Michael, on the other hand, is not nearly as interested in training his child overnight to make good choices as he is in teaching Hudson to live for the rest of his life in submission to the authority of Jesus Christ. That lesson begins at the dinner table when we're barely toddling and continues to the grave. Like Hudson, I still try to rationalize my rebellious and foolish desires, so Martha might argue that God the Father's discipline of me really isn't "getting through" to me. And yet I praise God for His patience and faithfulness to discipline me (over and over) that I might be more like His Son who always perfectly submitted to the will of His Father.
In fact, parenting is so much about the authority of God that I would go one step further than Michael has and say that toddlers need to eat their supper whether mommy got any popsicles at the store or not. Two-year-olds lack almost all ability to understand and articulate what is good for them and so supper, aside from the issue of dessert, is a great opportunity teach children that we are to trust and obey God -- which includes obeying those He places in authority over us -- even when we cannot understand the reasoning behind the commands. Haven't we all seen children who refused to eat at 6:30 only to turn around and ask for a snack at 7:30, after all the food has been put away and the family has moved on to other activities? Should we set up a permanent grazing station for that 2-year-old so that he can make his own choices or should we teach him to humbly consider that maybe his 25-year-old parents know something he doesn't?
In addition to a Biblical understanding of authority, this disagreement largely comes down to faith or disbelief in the promises of God pertaining to parenting. Notice that Michael argues from Scripture whereas Martha only brings up Scripture to paint a negative caricature of Christian parenting. Beginning from a standpoint of disbelief in the promises of God, Martha unfortunately lacks the ability to rightly judge various methods of parenting and their fruit. Finally, despite her credentials as a parenting educator, Martha's own words reveal a sad ignorance of the real fruit of Biblical parenting, either because she hasn't seen it, since Biblical parenting is rare in this evil age, or because she cannot see it. The young adults I observe on a regular basis who have grown up in and left homes like Michael's are not angry, bitter robots. On the contrary, they love their parents and do some of the best thinking and writing around. In fact, I invariably find that children who begin to experience loving discipline at an early age are most tender -- not angry -- toward their parents when they've just been spanked and offered forgiveness through Jesus Christ.
So Martha, your words sound good at first glance, but when I consider the salvation, the Lordship, the authority, the majesty, and the perfect obedience of Jesus Christ, all the vain philosophies of the world become utter foolishness. Thank you Michael, for pointing us to Him and reminding us of what is at stake.
Martha, Perhaps what I am
Martha,
Perhaps what I am about to say has already been addressed, as I haven't read all the comments thereafter. I, too, have had much experience with children. I am the eldest of five, and have been babysitting since eleven. I have taught school in the public, private, and home arenas. I have nannied for several families throughout college. And, I have a three year old son. So, that being said, I have to ask you- why in the world do you think that it is so paramount for children to have as many choices as possible than to learn well to obey their parents, teachers, and God? How is this going to help them be more selfless, more responsible, more loving and deferential to others? Because quite frankly, when I look at the "many choices" model employed instead of the "Son, you must sit still at the dinner table because mommy told you to," method, it only instills a false sense of entitlement to children. Their inability to accept an if-then situation (and life is chock full of them) will be crippling when it comes to questions of authority and responsibility. It also teaches them that every (if not, many) decisions MUST start with them. This antithetical to what the bible teaches regarding who we are in regard to God and each other.
We’re not to have dessert
We’re not to have dessert before our meal; in the same way, there is to be no sex, no masturbation, even, outside of a marriage covenant.
A married man could masturbate to his heart's content and neglect his wife. Vice versa.
Thanks for a really good
Thanks for a really good post. Having come from a family where there was no disciple at all, and having worked with adjudicated youth who have continually sought to test boundaries to the point of ending up in jail, I am working provide clear, loving boundaries with my young children, which includes no dessert until you eat your dinner, and some nights, no dessert even though you ate your dinner! But when they eat their dinner, they sometimes get a choice, we give them lots of choices, you can have a chocolate chip cookie or mango sorbet for example. At other times, the choices might sound like, if you push your brother again, you are going to get a spanking, Daddy doesn't want to spank you, but if you continue to disobey us and potentially hurt your brother, you are going to get a spanking. Very clear boundaries followed with consistent consequences seems to be THE most loving relationship that I can offer my kids. If our little munchkin makes the decision to push brother again, she gets the predictable consequence, followed by snuggles and love and explanation that we just cant let her disobey, God calls all of us to submit to authorities in our lives. At the center of this is the self-control that is taught through understanding action/consequence and clear boundaries. If I do A, B happens, I dont want B to happen so I will not do A. Doesn't seem like rockets science.
Anonymous, You will need to
Anonymous,
You will need to post under a variation of your given name (e.g. Jane, JaneD, JDoe, JaneDoe, Mrs. Doe, etc) in all future comments. Thank you.
Anonymous, The point wasn’t
Anonymous,
The point wasn’t to say that masturbation is okay within the marriage covenant. Self pleasuring is always sinful. I was simply saying that any sexual act done outside of the marriage covenant is sin and we must discipline our hungers to prevent fornication.
I could have written this
I could have written this years ago. Except that I would have gone further, and made a compelling case for not serving dessert too often. After all, are we really trying to teach our sons that control of one's appetites is for the soul purpose of being able to enjoy the tempting dessert that is set before them? What if there is no dessert worth waiting for...no beautiful woman in view that is so tempting that the young man says, "Shoot, I can indulge my appetite for food AND get this tasty morsel as well! What a deal!"
Oops. Maybe that isn't exactly the lesson we are trying to teach our children.
It is so easy, when one's oldest is a toddler, or in my case, when #5 or #6 are a toddler, to write articles. Parenting is so easy at that point that we are tempted to get puffed up if we think we are doing something better than someone else. And, as much as we try to pretend it's NOT easy (because we really don't have a clue what anything beyond Extremely Basic Beginning Parenting is like) we suspect that we're missing out on Important Stuff. So training Buford to eat his meal without whining and without bribes of dessert must be declared by us to be of Monumental Import! We aren't training table manners and establishing what we think are healthy eating habits -- no, we are BATTLING PORN!!
Talk to me in...oh, at least 30 years or so, when Hudson and his brothers are married to wives who have the joyous, rare privilege of husbands who have never seen a sexual image of another woman. Then tell me what you did and what they did...I bet you won't even be telling me about how you taught Hudson to wait a few minutes to make sure he was indulging his appetite for dessert on an already full stomach.
Take it from someone who had two grown sons and several more on their way to adulthood. The battle against porn is best caught humbly, on your knees, with daily repentance as you bring your own appetites under God's control. Once you are willing to radically humble yourself (as I wish I had the sense to do) and forego writing articles in favor of learning from parents with at least ten times the years of experience as you...well, that will show that you're really serious about the battle, and that you know it's about far more than porn.
Sorry for the numerous typos.
Sorry for the numerous typos. Wrote this in a hurry on my phone...and I have always been plagued by an overabundance of mistakes anyway.
Mrs. Prewett, I wonder if
Mrs. Prewett,
I wonder if you see the arrogance in your comment?
Why do you assume that this post is merely the brainchild of some young arrogant know-it-all punk?
I am proud.
No doubt about it but I’m not some trailblazing parenting pioneer. I haven’t discovered something new. I am seeking to put into practice the teaching of godly older men. This post is the fruit of the ministry of Doug Wilson, Ted Tripp, and Tim Bayly. All these men have gray hair and grown children. This post simply emulates their wise teaching. So, tell me, should they talk to you in 30 years?
I’m all ears if you have a substantive critique based on Scripture but all I see is mocking that is justified by “I’m-older-therefore-wiser-than-you” logic.
One last thing. You said, “The battle against porn is best caught humbly, on your knees, with daily repentance as you bring your own appetites under God's control.” You are only half-right. We do have to fight for our children in our pray closet but that is not all. Ephesians 6:4 reads, “Fathers, do not provoke your children to anger, but bring them up in the discipline and instruction of the Lord.” We also fight for them through disciplining and instructing them whenever we have an opportunity—even at the dinner table. Dessert may seem like a small thing to you but the little things are infinitely the most important (I swiped that from a certain fictional detective).
P.S. Grace abounds in regards to punctuation. You can see that i don't really follow those rules when making comments on a blog.
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